homeassistant- klimatizace - rizeni NODERED

[tomasi02]

zdravím,
máte někdo implementované řízení přebytků pres klimatizaci?
Nebo vymýšlím kolo od začátku?
Máte nějaké podmínky navíc ? Resp. jaké máte (lepší) podmínky pro zapínání- vypínání?

upozornění: bez záruky, pravé testování přijde v září (pokud bude sluníčko)

[FishBone]

Řeším v nodered podobný problém - nahřívání nádrže přes SSR.

Nahřívání nezapínám až když je SoC > 90%, ale koukám, i jestli je predikce zbývající dnešní výroby větší než 2.5x nenabitá kapacita baterky. Dovoluje to tak spustit nahřívání výrazně dříve.

[Momo]

Jaké používáš SSR a hlavně, jak ho řídíš? Zajímalo by mě to zařízení. Pokud to není třeba loxone nebo WR...
Rád bych takhle výhlědově dával přebytky do pomocného malého elektrokotle, řízení pomocí NR přes SSR.

[Excelent]

Klimy v NR mám sice naintegrované, ale nespínám automaticky, jen občas ručně přes mobil
A automaticky z NR v noci jen vypínám v čase, abych na to nemusel myslel,nezapomínal na ni v dětském pokoj a neběžela do rána.
Mám ale automatiku na bojler, DIN spínací relé od Shelly ke spirále.
Spínám až při určitém přetoku do sítě a SoC>90%, u toho kontroluji i teplotu vody podle nastavené hystereze.
A vypínám když je bojler nahřátý nebo klesne SoC pod 90%.
Relé pak nespíná moc často a šetřím kontakty
Měl jsem to jako dočasné řešení, než pořídím nějaký wattrouter s SSR, ale zjistil jsem, že to stojí zlomek, nikde to nic neruší a úplně mi to stačí
Nepotřebuji vytěžovat přesně na 0, přetoky mi dále krmí virtuálku

[tomasi02]

- ohledně predikce (mám https://www.home-assistant.io/integrati ... cast_solar) je jedna věc, která nefunguje a to je, že forecast_solar nezohlednuje panely pod sněhem.
- nevím, zda někam ještě nepřidat podmínku (for x minutes)
- u SSR je spínání jednodušší, u klimy se musí dodržet aspoň nejaký čas, aby bežela..
- možná na zimu bude lepší začínat u podminky SOC>90, takto:

[FishBone]

Na ten power_sell bych ještě přidal smooth a pak to řešil switchem. Takhle ti to může zbytečně vypnout, když ti zrovna přejde mrak, nebo dá žena vařit vodu na čaj.
A spíš než na prodej, bych tam přidal hysterezi - zapnout pri >90% a vypnout (třeba) při <85% a na power_sell bych se vykašlal. Bude to jednodušší než průměrovat ty přetoky.

Omezení intervalu spínání se dá řešit tak, že se tam dá delay uzel a nastaví se jak často pustí zprávu o změně stavu. V té zprávě je potom "on", nebo "off", které se vyhodnotí switchem, který vypne, nebo zapne tu klimu.

V zimě ty panely pod sněhem (u mě) není potřeba řešit, protože topím elektřinou, takže vše prakticky okamžitě spotřebuji.
Mám to dělané přes funkce v nodered. Tyhle podmínky bych těmi tahacími uzly asi nedal.

U toho SSR to mám drobet komplikovanější:
- vždy udržuji minimální teplotu, aby tekla alespoň vlažná voda
- v čase cca od 15:00 nahřívám bojlery na minimální teplotu potřebnou na nádobí a koupání bez ohledu na baterie a předpověď (Zima)
- pokud je baterie nabitá nad 10% minimamální nastavené úrovně, je dostupný volný výkon, je příznivá dnešní predikce (porovnávání s kapacitou baterie) tak nahřívám na vyšší teplotu a nechám baterii nabíjet cca 1 kW, pokud SoC baterie stoupne na 88% (úroveň od kdy začíná balancovat), tak ji nechám k nabíjení jen 200 W
- pokud je predikce na zítra nepříznivá, tak z přebytků natápím na ještě vyšší teplotu, abych překlenul více dní
- taky jsem omezen cca 3.3 kW na fázi, takže hlídám, aby sepnutí SSR nepřesáhlo tuto úroveň a já zbytečně nedokupoval (problém hlavně v zimě, případně když se spustí nějaký výkonější spotřebič)

[tomasi02]

ok. Komentare zapracovany. Tahle verze se mi libi tedy vic:

ja mam primarne topeni plynem. V zime tedy pokud budou pretoky bych prave rad nadbytecnou elektrinu spotreboval, nez prodavat za 0.2 Kc/Kwh.

[FishBone]

Ten delay z toho můžeš vyhodit. Navíc to máš asi stejně blbě nastavené a neplní to úplně účel (já tam po změně na ratelimit mám jiný text). Je tam potřeba rate limit a myslel jsem to takhle. Viz obrázek. Tam se ty 2 větve spojí v jednom ratelimiteru a nedovolí to častou změnu.
Tím, že tam je máš rozdíl 5% v SoC, tak chvíli trvá, než se to vybije z 95% na 90% (a obráceně), takže tam nějaký přirozený ratelimit máš.

U toho active_power máš 2 výstupy, takže jsi tam asi zapomněl podmínku - tu jsi nahradil tím smooth+switch.

[tomasi02]

ten delay jsem tam dal tak jen pro test...

U active_power jsem podminku zapomnel, opraveno. Myslim, ze dalsi upravy budou az pri pouzivani.
(ja v tom noderedu neumim, plugin mam nainstalovan of tohoto pondeli)

[FishBone]

Na první pokus dobrý. Žádný učený z nebe nespadl

[tomasi02]

tak po mesici fungovani sem davam aktualni verzi

a/ pridano - zavislost na https://www.home-assistant.io/integrati ... cast_solar
b/ helper na prepnuti na manualni rizeni
Nodered AC enable
input_boolean.nodered_ac_enable
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